Ground Up Strength

Okay, I'll look into it. This is going to take some time.

Of course. It's not something you can just figure out over-night.

Ok, Its flying a bit over my head, but I think I understand what you mean there.

Don't over-think it, just let it cook.

Myself, you, and Ashiem need to deal with some things. In private.

What I'd recommend is that you do some independent research on the concept or principles, theories, etc. in science, especially as it applies to something like physics. Then think about how that can be connected to something like training for physical performance and how it can't be connected. And remember, don't go too crazy with the words. The word principle, here has its importance in how it differs from methods.

Okay, I'll look into it. This is going to take some time.

A more concrete physiological principle might be something about energy systems and how exercise intensity relates to the primary fuel system used.

Ok, Its flying a bit over my head, but I think I understand what you mean there.

Thanks Eric.

What I'd recommend is that you do some independent research on the concept or principles, theories, etc. in science, especially as it applies to something like physics. Then think about how that can be connected to something like training for physical performance and how it can't be connected. And remember, don't go too crazy with the words. The word principle, here has its importance in how it differs from methods.

A more concrete physiological principle might be something about energy systems and how exercise intensity relates to the primary fuel system used.

Yes, that is a rolling thunder in the video. Take a look at IronMind's website for a better view of it. They are difficult to make but it would not be impossible. You'll never get the same level of difficulty as the true thing without quite a bit of work. If you can't get one and HAVE to make it then take a look in Pity's journal, I think there is some discussion in there about making one.

I know a welder and a fabricator who can help me with this. There is only one issue I am having in the design: building the rotating knob on the weight stack. Otherwise I don't seen an issue but I'm going to take this idea my guy later.

You can do whatever you like, I usually have my arms bent 90 degrees. The main thing is your hands are clear of your body.

Okay. One more question: I have to bring the weight up and then back down as well, right?

Its going to take some time for me to understand this.

other concrete principles based on a known physiological response, for instance.

What would be an example of this?

No principle is a golden rule. It's just an underpinning (when it comes to strength training).

So a principle isn't necessarily set in stone?

But at how people are always harping about recovery. Well, lets say you pull off adding 15 lbs to that 4 x 6. Are you more fit, or are you more 'recovered'? In other words, have you gained new ability that could be seen as meaning new maximal ability, or, have you simply uncovered existing ability? This is why we don't measure progress, in terms of maximal strength, over one, or even two workouts and why something like SDT (and the Single Scene) is meant to cause progress over a cycle of workouts, SDT being open-ended and SS being set.

Ok, I see, that why, we focus on the big picture, the sustained progress in the long run.

This personal stuff needs to stay out of the forum and don't tell me this isn't crap from the gym.

If it seems like gym/personal things, then I'm sorry but its possible that your seeing only one side of this. I haven't been in the gym in the past month, I did meet Ativ, when I had come to pick up some stuff from the gym. I just renewed my membership today. Plus, I've not been in touch with any of these guys, cause I've been bogged down with major work + illness.

Yes, that is a rolling thunder in the video. Take a look at IronMind's website for a better view of it. They are difficult to make but it would not be impossible. You'll never get the same level of difficulty as the true thing without quite a bit of work. If you can't get one and HAVE to make it then take a look in Pity's journal, I think there is some discussion in there about making one.

With the wrist roller, do I have to have my hands out front? Or can I stand on a bench and have my arms in a more comfortable position?

You can do whatever you like, I usually have my arms bent 90 degrees. The main thing is your hands are clear of your body.

It seems to me like a number of people have a problem with a number of other people, Dev. I see aggression here. "Deal with me" is a challenge, not an invitation to a dialogue. Please cool your jets.

What seems like aggression to you, is actually my frustration. People say one things here & something else in person. Hence, I'm not challenging anyone, its isn't 'deal with me' as much as it is be 'frank with me' in person.

All this gym GUS crew crap has gotten out of hand because it seems that people want to be seen as associated with GUS without answering to me.

I'm always been answerable. Besides, I don't think there is GUS crew around here as much as a bunch of members.

Well, it doesn't work that way. People want to be seen as representing me, which is not my wish, they will damn sure behave, in that capacity, as I say they should. I am sick of all this and it is going to stop. Those GUS t-shirts were promotional, not an invitation for people to strut their stuff and get their heads all up in their own ass.

Well, I'm happy if given the oppurtunity to wear a GUS Tshirt. If I have made any mistakes, then I hold my self accountable.

What are you trying to say?

This is an example. He's not TRYING to say anything. He's saying it. There is not conspiracy at work. You misapplied and misunderstood SDT. That's fine because you progressed very well anyway.

I asked him what he meant by that because I NEVER denied making a mistake with SDT (Nevermind the fact that while I was doing it, it was not pointed out to me as wrong.till I saw a post of yours & asked whether what I was doing on it made sense or not.) or any other part of my training, when it is pointed out to me or when I show my training & ask whether I'm making a mistake.

But you made a mistake and taught it wrong to people. Or at least one person. You can be honest and live up to you mistake, or can't you? Don't try to hide because I am aware of it and Ashiem is aware of it yet for some reason you needed to take his comment as a personal affront against you..well, he doesn't screw up SDT.

I have taught it wrong(nevermind whether they progressed or not) & thats what I feel bad about, I want to teach it the right way. However, I asked what he meant by bringing that up, since the post was concerning Ativ's frequent plan changes. Since, whenever I considered a change to my own plan & ran it by Asheim, whether it was shot down positively (with an explanation) or negatively( with his 'are you retarded' statement) I've continued wiht it out of respect for his knowledge, experience & the fact that he was choosing to help me & I did not throw a hissy fit & stomp around like an impetuous child, which is why when I commented to Ativ, I didn't understand why Asheim gave me the SDT mistake response.

You are coming off as if you are someone who has been doing this for 20 years.

I'm sorry if it seems that way, but it was never my intention.

Hi All, Finally I got my 1 kg and 1.5 kg plates. So the increments I have with me now is 1 kg, 1.5 kg, 2.5 kg. All I can say is .

I am looking for 0.5 kgs plates now and ask a person to check for me. If he gets them then it is superb or else I have got some hold on 0.5 kgs weights used in weighing scales in grocery store. I will put them in a plastic bag and tie them up to the rod.

SET FOR QVT AND MAXES NOW….

I'm in :-)

Is this the rolling thunder?

You can do whichever you like, as long as you have the equipment for it of course, but I usually like to pair 2 different types of gripping (i.e., open and closed, crushing and pinching, maximal and supporting). Since it's 1x per week I would always do grippers first and then pick a different type of grip training to do every week or every few weeks, or even pick 3 things to do per session.

Okay cool :-)

Its basically a round piece of pipe with a string and a clasp (so you can attach weight to it). It is very similar to these.

Oh I confused that with the Rolling Thunder. I have a Wrist Roller. So what is a Rolling Thunder? Can I build it?

Just one. Make it count. :)

Okay! :-)

I don't know what you're currently doing. It reads like a cluster set to me (because of the '+'s). By quality singles I mean treat it as you would a deadlift. Do singles with decent rest periods and good quality (i.e. good attempts, closes or near closes, but not half closes or anything like that). Good quality will be subjective but the main idea is to consistently close or consistently close to roughly the same distance.

I just put the "+" because it's my way of saying different sets. It's not a cluster. LOL..I can't even do 1 rep I would not venture into Cluster-land. I will do them as Quality Singles as on Deadlifts.

If you have questions about any of the other exercises ask away.

1. What is a rolling thunder?

2. With the wrist roller, do I have to have my hands out front? Or can I stand on a bench and have my arms in a more comfortable position?

But based on your template I would personally do grip work Saturday. Again, this could potentially impact your deadlifting and I remember from before that you didn't want this.

I can't do that, I'm sorry. I would not be able to fit it in and such on that day. I will try to do it on Tuesday though because that day is totally open. I'm also not doing any other Grip Training on any other day.

Now we'll see if I can remember not to just type the - -, but use @@ instead. And I just noticed that the double dash turns into an m dash—it's only when you use 2 of them in the same paragraph that you get strikethroughs! Life is hard, and then you die.

I think you should let go of the m dash and embrace the triple period…it rules!

About the three pressing movements: press, because I don't want to completely detrain it.

Oh! Well assuming you just want to maintain maximal ability, throw it in right before your bench variant on the last day. Warm up properly and work up to a heavy triple, double, or single. Then do your bench variant. Since that is a "volume" day you'll simply be maintaining and getting more volume on "press" as a whole and it will be more efficient. You don't even have to do the press maintenance every single week. That's what I would do.

The last thing is to go back to the question of what sort of progression to move to next on DL. Straight SDT? Or something else?

I actually had thought we had worked this out. My usual approach, from what you are doing, would be for you to simply bridge the "honeymoonish" thing into a base volume, from witch you do a little SDT. So what you'd want to do is take those sets that should be right now tending to 3 or less, and start tending toward three or more. Then, you should settle on a base volume by working up to sets of say, 4 to 5, that you can do for around 3 sets. This should simply "fall out" of your training as you will quickly find that weight where you can do this consistently.

Thanks! Now we'll see if I can remember not to just type the - -, but use @@ instead. And I just noticed that the double dash turns into an m dash—it's only when you use 2 of them in the same paragraph that you get strikethroughs! Life is hard, and then you die.

Ok, this time around I'll move press to d3, add DB press to d4, and try to pay attention to the effects of the additional volume. If it's a problem, I'll back off.

About the three pressing movements: press, because I don't want to completely detrain it. At some point in the future I want to give it higher priority again, but I know that there are some related issues that I'll have to work on then, and I don't feel I have time for them right now. So I want to keep it active, but more maintenance. Two bench presses, because, well, ya know, bro, a man's just gotta bench. Ya gotta keep the young guys in their place. I have a 22 year old son who lifts. I have a poorly-suppressed competitive side, and there's a guy here who is a year younger than me, with an almost-equal bench, and what I view as inefficient training practices (benches almost every day, and it's almost the only exercise he does), so I'd like to keep ahead of him while training smarter. I like to bench. Ok, none of those are particularly good reasons, but they are MY reasons! :) I have used a similar schedule (4 "rolling" workouts, training 3 days per week) quite a bit, and I find that I do better benching twice in this time.

Right now, DL is my first priority, and bench and squat and chins are "second tier" lifts, with press on maintenance. Squatting once in the microcycle seems to be plenty for me. Bench and chins seem to work better done twice.

The last thing is to go back to the question of what sort of progression to move to next on DL. Straight SDT? Or something else?

I'll get it going again. If more than two people participate I'll keep it going but if nobody participates consistently it's a waste of time and I look a bit silly doing it.

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It doesn't seem to be agreeing, to me, Doc. Read more closely. If he is agreeing he can tell me and I will apologize.

Prilepin’s Table. I am forever amazed how often people bring that up, to. And you are right, it is seen as a principle. Someone had linked the "Single Scene" on another site and somebody said it looked like it was taken from Prilepin’s table! They see the principle in everything and for me that was bordering on insult!

And this misunderstanding came from nothing more than a set of similar numbers. They saw the number 10 associated with single at 90+ percent and assumed the origin of it was the table so no thought was given to the actual things said in the article. This is the table, in case anyone is wondering what Doc is talking about, as I doubt many people here have heard of the thing:

I read Ketan as agreeing with you, but trying to apply it to real-life examples.