In the discussion that followed:
Originally Posted by Vishnu:
The next hundred pounds is going to be a killer ! :-(
Originally Posted by Eric:
Just makes the process that much more rewarding. And not really the whole one hundred necessarily. This all depends on your strength ceiling and I've explained this to people using an actual ceiling as an analogy. Imagine that you were floating up toward the ceiling in your house. As you first begin to rise, you go up very quickly, so that your rate can be measured in feet. But the higher you rise, the slower you move, so that your rate becomes measured in inches, and then fractions of an inch. At some point, each little new increment of movement becomes so slow, that you never quite reach the ceiling! That is how strength training is, it's just the reality. This is why beginners see such great progress and then get discouraged when that rate of progress doesn't last, and then drop out…explaining why not many ever break 500.
So, knowing this and STILL doing it, is the mental discipline and self-regulation that strength training can give to you. Personally, I lift because I simply enjoy it and I do not need any grand reasons to do it, but to keep on going as you float up toward that ceiling little tiny bits at a time, takes a great deal of fortitude and it is this that is the true accomplishment, no matter what number you end up with. There are plenty of things that are comparable, not just strength training, but it is ONE of those things that people do because it is hard, not because it is easy.
Originally Posted by Nathan:
True enough, wasn't it for years (not sure if it was deadlift or a stone) but people couldn't lift 500lbs for years until someone broke the barrier and then more and more people did it and not the bar has grown since then. Like Eric said, the standard is your own!
Originally Posted by Ashiem:
You know, I met this guy and he said something that really blew my mind away. He told me his current stats were Squat 300, Bench 200 and Deadlift 400. He said that because he's training consistently, he expects himself to reach 500/400/600 in 6 months. I was stumped. I mean…if you're Deadlifting 400 and it's a max and it's difficult you cannot just assume you're going to add 200 lbs to the bar arbitrarily in 6 months…well….I met him 6 months later. He was same as before but trying "new things" lol.. It is a false assumption to think that 500 on anything is meagre. Guys who truly make it to the PRO circuit: these guys START out big and then stall big. A regular looking guy doing 500 and crossing it is almost the same struggle as an 800 lbs elite Deadlifter trying to reach 900 and given that there are just 15-20 guys on this PLANET with 800+ Deadlifts and of those only 3-4 in the 900+ range…it truly is foolish to compare across the range.
Originally Posted by Eric Troy:
And you know why he was trying new things when you met him the second time. People rarely react to failure by adjusting their expectations (which would entail adjusting your plan), they react by giving up and moving on to something else. And that is exactly the reason I wrote this post. I'd rather people understand what to expect, realistically, so that they can approach it with ambitious, yes, but not pie-in-the-sky goals.
Originally Posted by Ashiem:
Yes…because he was hitting whatever his DL 1RM was just once every few months and expecting to go rapidly up with zero attention on it (the apparently Law of working everything else except the main lift in order to improve the main lift) he ended up just burning out plain and simple…so he was "experimenting" with a new stance, etc. Having unrealistic expectations because you're brainwashed by whatever environment you've put yourself in followed by incorrect training followed by lack of performance and then switching things and moving on to something else…lol… it's the ground reality of what happens and why we do not see so many truly strong guys who consistently deliver.